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    Well, I was looking around Ebay and I stumbled upon a section of the site regarding what they do with people who get fake memory sticks/other items and what they do to people who sell them and about refunds.

    You can read the original here: http://reviews.ebay.com/FAKE-Sony-Me...00000001535703

    this section was copy/pasted:



    How to identify counterfeit Sony Memory Stick PRO & DUO MagicGate Cards

    Below is a stringent list of Certified Genuine & Authentic sellers for peace of mind purchase of flash and computer memories on eBay:-

    1.
    2. 1800memory
    memory-r-us
    3.
    nachy1818
    4. techinfiniti

    The list is open to all genuine sellers to join. The list will slowly grow as more genuine & authentic sellers are being identified through our restrictive verification process.

    Since October-2006, eBay has decided all sellers could no longer hide their BAD feedbacks. Simply enter seller's eBay ID and watch for Negative/Neutral feedbacks wordings such as 'fake' and 'counterfeit' before buying at http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs

    Millions of eBayers have been deceived by inferior quality, unpopular cheap MS disguised as Sony Memory Stick PRO DUO as more than 98% of all 1GB, 2GB and 4GB MS listed on eBay are counterfeit items and many have fake capacities.

    Since many have not seen genuine production Sony unit and counterfeit is now made to appear like 90% genuine, it is indeed difficult for most people to tell them apart. From the pictures submitted by eBayers all over the world, we are exposing the physical difference in the counterfeit which you can benefit from whether you intend to purchase one or make comparison with your own. Beware of sellers that are using original Sony web download pictures to sell counterfeit Sony as they do not represent the actual item that you will receive!

    This article covers all Sony PRO 1GB (MSX-1GS) and 2GB (MSX-2GS), PRO DUO 1GB (MSX-M1GS), 2GB (MSX-M2GS) and 4GB (MSX-M4GS), Hi-Speed PRO DUO 1GB (MSX-M1GN), 2GB (MSX-M2GN) and 4GB (MSX-M4GN) models.
    For SanDisk flash memory product

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    FAKE SanDisk Extreme Compact Flash Cards Exposed
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    FAKE SanDisk Ultra Compact Flash Cards Exposed
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    FAKE SanDisk Ultra Secure Digital Cards Exposed
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    FAKE SanDisk Cruzer USB Flash Drives Exposed

    Clue #1 Front view

    1. Genuine uses print ready/control vector art technique to print all the letterings. Fake uses inferior hi-res bitmap to copy the genuine, so zoom in a bit to see the printing flaw. The font on the fake usually is bolder, messy, out of focus and rub off easily.
    2.
    Genuine card is often thinner than fake. Try fitting the card into an adapter and you may find that it has problem as it doesn't seems to fit into the adapter easily (feels like its squeezing in). Newer 2GB fake (1959MB version) even has problem fitting into a PSP (PlayStation Portable).

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    Genuine - Counterfeit
    Clue #2 Back view

    1. The font face, font size and printing technique are the main criteria to differentiate the genuine from the fake, so you must take notice.
    2. Genuine has wider 'MADE IN JAPAN' than 'ICES/NMB-003.' while fake usually is the other way around, and some are missing a critical dot '.' at the end of the '-003' word.
    3. Genuine has the letter 'S' in 'MSX-2GS' as Italic than the 'S' used in 'COMPLIES CANADA' and 'ICES/NMB-003' wordings. Fake is using identical normal font face throughout! Also note that genuine has a shorter stroke of the '/' character whereas fake has longer stroke and it is taller than any other characters.
    4. Beware of known FAKE 2GB cards circulating eBay with incorrect model number 'S.MSX-2GN' and serial number 'L406L1L .' The extra S. at the front was covered with a sticker with the rest looks very close to a genuine card.
    5. On the 10 gold metal stripes/contact, genuine is covered fully by the black plastic housing from the top to the bottom end. Fakes may have small black holes on the some metal stripes, some have its gold metal stripe not fully covered by the black plastic housing. Some fakes have internal green color PCB board exposed as pictured displaying its inferior manufacturing defect.
    6.
    Genuine uses print ready/control vector art technique and has all letterings engraved by laser-etched into the plastic shell of the card. Fake uses inferior hi-res bitmap to copy the genuine, so zoom in a bit to see the printing flaw. The font on the fake usually is messy, out of focus and rub off easily. To know if it is printed, just use your finger to feel the surface as the letterings are a bit raised.

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    Genuine - Counterfeit
    Clue #3 Retail Packaging view

    1.
    Genuine clear plastic packaging has long (staple shape) heat seals indicated by the yellow arrows. Fake has round dot glue seals (not heat) indicated by the red arrows.
    2.
    Genuine hi-speed card (with red-stripe) has 3 vertical staple heat seals on each side of the pack. Genuine also has additional 2 horizontal staple seals across the top of the packaging not found on the fake. This applies to both 1GB/2GB/4GB retail packaging product.
    3.
    Genuine normal-speed card (without red-stripe) has 9 vertical staple heat seals on each side of the pack while fake only has 3 dot seals on each side. Genuine also has additional 6 horizontal staple seals across the top of the packaging not found on the fake. This applies to both 1GB/2GB/4GB retail packaging product.
    4.
    To the right hand side of the packaging there are 4 pictures. Some fake has the 4 pictures arranged in incorrect order.
    5.
    Check holographic sticker status in Clue #6 below.

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    Genuine 2GB - Counterfeit 2GB

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    Genuine 1GB - Genuine 4GB

    Clue #4 Exposing internals

    1.
    On the inside, genuine has Sony-marked PCB (Printed Circuit Board) and usually use Samsung flash memory chip wheares the fake does not use the same Sony-marked PCB and is unmarked with unmarked/unknown brand flash memory chip.
    2.
    Genuine uses BGA (Ball Grid Array) memory chip where the pin connections are beneath the chip whereas the fake uses TSOP (Thin Small Outline Package) chips where its pin connections are on the edge. Fake always perform unreliably.

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    Clue #5 Capacity and Transfer Speed

    1.
    Genuine 2GB has a capacity of 1909MB while some devices will read them at 1910MB. Some older fake 2GB shows 1948MB and 1959MB of memory space when being tested. Newer fake 2GB may now show any of these figures including the 1910MB of a genuine. However some 2GB fakes only have a true capacity of only 512MB/1GB. Try transferring as much data as possible to your card and see if it will hold close to 2GB as most fake 2GB won't hold anything near 2GB.
    2.
    Genuine hi-speed card (with red-stripe) has a transfer speed at about 80Mbps. Fake has a slower transfer speed with 1948MB fake actually can do about 65Mbps to 70Mbps and 1959MB fake atmost 60Mbps.

    Clue #6 Hologram 3D Golden Sticker

    1. If item comes in retail packaging, it will have a golden metallic 3D 'SONY holographic sticker' at the front of the retail box, as pictured. Newer fakes now also have similar identical holographic sticker. Bring the packaging to your nearest SONY retail outlet and ask for a SONY Anti-counterfeit Handy Viewer to tell if your item is genuine. The viewer has 2 see through Lens.
    2.
    Genuine hologram will appear as complete BLACK when see through the Left lens and Normal on the Right lens.
    3.
    Counterfeit hologram will appear as Normal through both Left and Right lens.

    Clue #7 SONY counterfeit hotline

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    SONY counterfeit Hotline & Contact

    What to do if I have acquired a counterfeit item! Who is responsible?

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    Selling counterfeit items deceiving as genuine is considered as FRAUD, not merely a simple mistake. It is seller's sole responsibility.
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    Consumer protection laws are designed to protect all consumers, the gullible as well as the shrewd. The fact that a false statement may be obviously false to those who are trained and experienced does not change its character or take away its power to deceive others less experienced. Our consumer protection laws were enacted for the protection of the people, many who are trusting and naive about the wolves of the business world who come dressed in lambs' clothing.
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    Counterfeit items are NOT covered by genuine manufacturer's LIFETIME warranty.
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    If your item is from high volume sellers, don't be left ALONE in the battle, kindly advise and encourage all buyers in same situation as you are to take action.

    How to get full refund and how to expose fraudulent sellers?

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    Check if the seller is still actively listing the same counterfeit items right now!
    * After confirmimg receiving counterfeit item and seller is unwilling to cooperate for refund, you should complete the Item Not Received or Significantly Not as Described process dispute after 10 days of item closing date so that eBay or Paypal is alerted of the development of fraudulent situation. If you have paid by Paypal, you can also complete the Paypal Buyer Complaint Process to get refund from Paypal within 45 days.
    * Since you have NOT been provided with what you have paid for, it does not falls into seller's return policy. You are covered by the 90 days protection period under eBay Standard Purchase Protection Program.
    * Unless these fraudsters would risk their eBay account for permanent suspension, they will for sure be in contact with you quicker than anything else. You then regain control of the situation and the power is again on your side.
    * Counterfeit is FRAUD, do not settle with the seller unless the seller is paying for all the associated return shipping cost of the item.
    * You still own the right to provide negative feedback against the seller to alert the fraudulent situation to warn other eBayers.
    * Provided that you have provided negative feedback to the seller and if subsequently the seller provides you with an unfair retaliatory negative feedback, you have a case to lodge against the seller by requesting eBay for feedback removal to fully protect your feedback.
    * Effectively you will get your money back either from the seller or from eBay/Paypal. Most important by going through this, you have assisted the process of exposing fradulent sellers on eBay, which will result in permanent suspension of the seller's account.
    * In most countries, FRAUD is a CRIMINAL offense and injunctions may be brought against the fraudsters to prevent them from moving on under a different name after being banned. Thus, you may choose to contact your law enforcement agencies or each respective brand manufacturers in your region, to report counterfeit and provide them with your item detail and the source of the item.


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    you took this from the ebay FAQ site.

    btw

    1800memory OK (not a lot of items on listing)
    memory-r-us DOESN'T SELL ANYMORE
    nachy1818 OK
    techinfiniti OK

    The point is comes to around 90-110$ CDN + 23$CDN for shipping.

    Seriously guys, just get a fake 4 gig then go to walmart or something :rolleyes:

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    Yeah, I mentioned that I got this from the ebay faq. And I don't think that the wal-mart thing will work. normally needs receipt.

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    of course you just do the switch.. (buy it first)

    but in all honesty, buying from the internet is always a risk. So pay with credit card guys! God Bless Chargebacks!!

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    i dont think that walmart actually carries 4 gb sony pro duo

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